DUST Search - What is wrong with FoTM?

John Demonsbane wrote:

sabre prime wrote:

To Eko: You started 30 days before 1.7 and you have 22 mil SP?

I'm from closed beta and I'm just getting to 20 mil now.

Regarding FOTM, it's a consequence of this game's flawed design. The game used to keep changing every month, with no balance being maintained. What did everyone expect was going to happen? I am currently a cloaked, bricked gallente scout with an assault combat rifle. And no, I don't care anymore.

FOTM is fun.

I was wondering the same thing. Sounds fishy.

The problem with FOTM is twofold:

One, it's boring. Diversity is the lifeblood of this game.

Two, it's a marker for bad balancing. It punishes people who like to play a certain way (logi, for example) because if a specific setup is markedly superior to others, the others fade away and die. How many good logis you see running around now?

Ok, a third,reason: it's bullsh*t.
A Caldari scout hiding behind a wall got off 2 shotgun rounds on me without de cloaking last night. I saw him out of the corner of my eye but he was barely even visible as a shimmer and had already fired a round as I turned. I was dead before I could return fire. My cores are maxed and I had a complex precision enhancer on my suit. That's an unfair mechanic and makes people not want to play. That's never healthy for a game.


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Eko Sol Strange Playings 402	Posted - 2014.05.29 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote You know, I just don't think there is anything wrong with FoTM methods. I have my complaints about aspects of the game. I think all scouts should lose an equipment slot. I retract my complaint about the scrubs who snipe from the top of the MCC. I want them to fix bugs. All of that being said. A bunch of cloaked scouts with shotguns isn't an issue. Outside of some bugs, it's fine. I think there might be some balance issue with Heavies but that's about it. I don't even think it's bad. I run ADV Heavy sometimes. I run Shotgun and ACR Cloaked Scout. I run Cloaked AV Scout (RE's and AV Nades). I run G-Assault with AR (BTW, it's sick. The 5% bonus per point makes the AR just plain Sick). I run a MLT Min Heavy with a MLT Armor Rep and a MLT Damage mod and a Rail Rifle. I run ADV and partial PROTO Amarr-Logi as well. I started 30 days before 1.7. I wasted all of my skill points in the AR and then it got nerfed in 1.7. I went to RR next. I had SP limitations and someone said don't do Scrambler Rifle so I just randomly picked RR. I ran ARR until 1.8. In 1.8, my ARR was losing to the ACR 1v1 way to often to make it viable. Now I run ACR. The problem is, as vets play, they will have skilled proto with at least 3 prof in multiple weapons. So whenever one of those weapons becomes viable again, a vet is able to pick it back up. At 22mil SP, I'm starting to hit that wall. And before someone says "try x and see how good you are" just know I MLT forge snipe with 0 points in FG as well. I challenge myself and do silly things like any other player. BTW, I also have ran the Flaylock side arm for about 4 months straight. I only run SMG on my Swarm Fit and FG Fit. Again, What is wrong with FoTM? Why is that even a saying? Shouldn't FoTM just be "Best Set Ups Available Now" as opposed to some condescending statement? Is it wrong to use the mathematically best gear and set ups in addition to skill so I can win? PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 402	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:30:00 - [2] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Assault/Plasma Rifle was not nerfed in 1.7; just that far better weapons were added. For every other patch in Uprising, that is when the Assault/Plasma Rifle was nerfed. The AR was nerfed. They increased spray to make it practically unusable in a 1v1 strafe battle. Re read the notes for 1.7. All of that being said. I appreciate everyone's feedback except for the first idiot (One Eyed King). I guess my rebuttle to the complaints is that using alternate styles has a risk of causing you to die and/or lose a bit more often and I don't think there is an issue with that. I like running my Gal Assault with a Proto AR. It's actually fun doing well. Right now I'm finishing my last 4 Ratatti's Assault Aur Purchase (worth a try tbh for anyone with some extra aur). No one is going to say that is FoTM but I do well and enjoy it. I must admit. I decided to run a basic min scout without cloak but instead with compact hives and RE's. Some HP and a complex dampener with a basic AR. Unfortunately, I was very unsuccessful but I actually enjoyed the attempt from my part. reminded me of when I skilled into min scout a the beginning of 1.8 and I had to run the basic and adv only without a cloak b/c it took up too much PG and CPU and I didn't get the proto until far after 1.8. Anyway, nothing wrong with it. The game is unbalanced and it's not the players faults that they play the game in a selfish way. Can't blame them for wanting to win. It's more of CCP's fault and CPM's fault really (I have seen very little evidence that they argued proper balance and very few of them even play the game). Balance is the problem not FoTM IMO. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 402	Posted - 2014.05.29 23:08:00 - [3] - Quote AFK Godfather wrote: FoTM syndrome means the game is unbalanced. People flock to the easiest / best / most OP set up. What's wrong with playing an unbalanced game? If it floats your boat, then nothing. The fact that you don't seem to have a problem with a game being unbalanced shows that DUST is perfect for you. I didn't say that I don't have a problem with the unbalanced elements. Trust me, there are things I think they should do. That being said, I accept the reality that if I am a cloaked shotgun scout against another cloaked shotgun scout then how is that unbalanced? It only becomes unbalanced when I'm up against those tactical AR's people have been using lately. Not entirely sure why though. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 403	Posted - 2014.05.30 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: sabre prime wrote: To Eko: You started 30 days before 1.7 and you have 22 mil SP? I'm from closed beta and I'm just getting to 20 mil now. Regarding FOTM, it's a consequence of this game's flawed design. The game used to keep changing every month, with no balance being maintained. What did everyone expect was going to happen? I am currently a cloaked, bricked gallente scout with an assault combat rifle. And no, I don't care anymore. FOTM is fun. I was wondering the same thing. Sounds fishy. The problem with FOTM is twofold: One, it's boring. Diversity is the lifeblood of this game. Two, it's a marker for bad balancing. It punishes people who like to play a certain way (logi, for example) because if a specific setup is markedly superior to others, the others fade away and die. How many good logis you see running around now? Ok, a third,reason: it's bullsh*t. A Caldari scout hiding behind a wall got off 2 shotgun rounds on me without de cloaking last night. I saw him out of the corner of my eye but he was barely even visible as a shimmer and had already fired a round as I turned. I was dead before I could return fire. My cores are maxed and I had a complex precision enhancer on my suit. That's an unfair mechanic and makes people not want to play. That's never healthy for a game. 1) I used 30 day passive since like day 10 of me playing. I have used a booster every chance I could and omega's during every event the last 4 or 5 months. Not to mention that I've easily picked up 2 mil or so after bonus pool was exhausted over the course of me starting. Can't tell you how many 1k WP ambush matches I run a week after my SP pool is depleted. It's a lot. 2) I don't think FoTM is boring. Two people with the exact same fit duking it out is a way of measuring your skill (i.e. I beat that guy 3 to 2 so I feel good about my abilities). Using a non FoTM and doing reasonably well is a sign of skill as well. 3) 100% a marker for bad balance. And you are right, there is a punishment if you decide not to play the FoTM to help in another way. This is why I actually have a lower KDR than most scouts the past couple of months. It's because I choose a harassment role as opposed to the typical scout role. Harrasement is when you take on multiple people at the same time and distract them to attract more players to a single null. When they do this it frees up the other nulls. 4) Cloaks are getting nerfed ridiculously. Every scout will have to use a complex dampener to include a Gal scout. Without it a single complex precision enhancer on any medium will pick up every scout that doesn't except for Gal. A single one on any scout suit will pick up all scouts to include the gal if they don't wear a dampener. Personally, there should only be one equipment slot AND I think there should be one less module slot. The suits are small yet hold as many modules as a heavy. I don't think that makes a lot of sense. I run cloaked scout and uncloaked. I will adapt and the nerfing of the dampening on the cloak hurts me. I've posted other threads about this as well. To get by a triple precision enhanced proto cal scout I have to run 3 complex dampeners and be cloaked with the proto cloak. Most Cal Scouts wear two allowing me to get by with 3x dampeners and no cloak which will be fun. Anyway, I get that there is a balance issue and agree on that. But I have to take the stand that it's not the players faults that play that way. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...